RESPOND TO THE FOLLOWING QUOTES (AND QUESTIONS) FROM YOUR SUMMER READING ASSIGNMENTS
Tuesday, May 20, 2008
Ch. 19: "It's all nonsense. It's only nonsense. I'm not afraid of the rain. I'm not afraid of the rain. Oh, oh, God, I wish I wasn't." She was crying. I comforted her and she stopped crying. but outside it kept on raining."
Catherine breaks out in a bit of a rant here with her fear of dying in the rain. This passage seems to impend future doom for Catherine. As much as Henry tries to comfort her there is nothing he can do, she truly believes she will die in the rain. I found it chilling that Catherine predicted how she would die. Another thing that I found interesting was that the rain seems to be suggesting despair, finality, and death here. Hemingway ends this passage beautifully by making the reader want more.
The feeling of this passage is very depressing and disturbing. Henry has to go back to the front soon and will have to leave Catherine. When Catherine said she saw herself dead in the rain I knew something was wrong. This shows she is troubled deep down inside. In this passage—as found in many other passages in this book by Hemingway—the rain is likened to pain, suffering, and death. This passage reveals she is scared of the rain (which would be death from the previous lines of their conversation) he comforts her but it keeps on pouring. Henry cannot stop the rain and he cannot slow the inevitability of his “wife,” Catherine’s, approaching death.
I agree with William on this passage, it seems like the state of Fredric and Catherine's relationship is depressed and sad. Catherine repeats herself for emphasis and so the more she says something the better she begins to believe herself. Even though her tears can stop the rain fall is inevitable and sometimes war is also inevitable. Although Fredric can comfort Catherine and for her to stop crying he has no power over the rain or the war. In this passage, Hemingway develops a very creative comparison between rain and war and their inevitability.
Catherine completely breaks down when it starts to rain. While Fredrick is taken aback by why catherine's fears the rain he tries his best to comfort her and does. She stops crying but the rain keeps falling. Like Austin Cain states, this shows that fredrick has no power over the rain which symbolizes the war also. No matter how hard he tries he cant stop fate.
I agree with Austin Menard on this passage. Frederic has no control over what happens in the future. He realizes he can’t fix everything; he can console Catherine about the rain, but he can’t stop it. The same goes for the war. He can’t end it himself but he can do his part to help out, even if that means he has to leave the country. Catherine also says that she sees herself dead in the rain. I feel that she is foreshadowing her own death because many bad things during the novel happened in the rain. Soon after she dies Frederic comes out of the hospital in the rain.
Catherine is repeating that it is nonsense and she in sot afraid of the rain to try and make herself believe it. She really is afraid of the rain, and dying. I think this fear was born from her fiance's death. She is afraid of death because she knows how much it hurts to loose a loved one. The though of it happening again frightens her. The fact that Henry tried to comfort her, but it kept on raining is an example of naturalism. Nature doesn't care that she is afraid of rain. It is still going to rain. Human will is not bigger or stronger than nature. We cannot control it. I agree with Gillie's statement about the foreshadowing of Catherine's death. She has always been afraid of dying in the rain, and she did die in the rain.
This passage is very chilling, for it is as if Catherine could see part of her future. Her aura completely changes here, and when I read this, I knew something was dismally wrong. Here, it looks as if the couple has hit a depressing bump in the relationship. Frederic can't do anything to stop the rain, so he comforts her. His helplessness in this situation correlates to his position in the war: he can not end it. Even if he can not end it, he does his best for his side to try, just as he is comforting Catherine now to stop her crying from the rain. I agree with Gillie in the foreshadowing of Catherine's irriguous death. Her fear of rain probably stems from her past relationship, and now she fears she is dying in the rain. I can also relate this to Meredith's position on naturalism in this passage. Nature is stronger than human will and does not care for it. The picture of the woman sitting in the rain relates to Catherine in some ways. The woman looks as if she is accepting the rain and is embracing it. Catherine, on the other hand, tries denying her fear of the rain incessantly.
I believe that the rain symbolizes war in this book - an almost ever-present being that's always in the background. There is no way for Henry to stop the rain or the war, and it makes Catherine break down. Maybe Catherine associates losing a loved one with the rain and the inevitability of death of a loved one is too much for her. Rain will happen whenever- it doesn't matter what's going on. The same can be said about death. It can be sudden and depressing and it can ruin everything you care for. There's no way to stop it.
I think this passage shows Catherine's inner problems and turmoil. The rain is symbolic of doom and despair and the fact that Catherine is afraid of death in the rain. Frederic is the one who is about to leave for the front and have his life in danger while Catherine is crying. She is realizing that her idea of life with Frederic might not happen and that something bad will happen. Frederic is the one who should be afraid but still tries to comfort Catherine. I also agree with meredith's comment on the naturalism in this passage. Even though she is afraid of the rain it is still going to continue to rain outside.
This passage shows that Catherine has fears which is normal, but her fear is nonsense. She even tries to convince herself that it’s nonsense, but it only consoles her temporarily. I agree with Meredith about the naturalism. Even though Catherine is crying and fearing the rain, it’s not going to stop until nature wants to. Also, I agree with William that throughout the novel rain is likened to suffering and death. As Catherine fears, she does indeed die when it was raining. Along with the baby being delivered stillborn, it was raining throughout her entire labor which only amplifies the idea that rain brings suffering.
Catherine is really fragile at this point in the story. I think that the war and the fact that Frederic will eventually have to go back to it are both weighing heavily on both of them. Like others before me have said, this passage conveys naturalism, or the idea that nature is indifferent to the will of man. The general feeling in this passage is helplessness. Catherine doesn’t want to be afraid of the rain, but no matter how hard she tries to convince herself that she’s not, she can’t help but be afraid. Frederic tries to make Catherine feel better, but even though he managed to get her to stop crying, he couldn’t stop the rain from falling. This helplessness relates back to the war. Frederic and Catherine can’t just tell all the soldiers to stop fighting, pack up and go home so that they can be together and happy. The war is the one constant obstacle in Frederic and Catherine’s relationship, and they are powerless to it.
Catherine is obviously disturbed by the rain and the dark thoughts it causes her to have. As Meredith and Anna pointed out, this passage also portrays the theme of naturalism. Catherine is worried that the rain tells of grim fortune and thus fears it when, in reality, she shouldn’t be affected by the randomness of nature. It’s inherent randomness is naturalism, and despite any human thought or will, it will act uninfluenced. The passage does set up the next major role of rain to the story as well. Catherine attributes the rain to death despite naturalism. Later, Catherine’s death is coupled with rainy weather. This occurrence seemingly defies naturalism, as nature is acting in accordance with Catherine’s predictions and fears of rain being a death omen. This is the pathetic fallacy and final major literary theme of the book. This passage is the precursor to it and the foreshadower of rain’s sinister future implications.
Pride Snow The rain is Catherine’s biggest fear. She tells Henry later that she sees him dying in the rain and that’s why she hates it most, she sees her most beloved possession get taken away from her. In the beginning of the passage she tries to convince herself that she isn’t afraid of the rain, but in reality she is. This passage as a whole relates to the general idea of life. Sure, you can conquer some of your fears, but there will always be something you feel like you can’t get over no matter what you do. In order to be successful at anything in life, whether it be business, sports, your love life, you have to be able to deal with those problems, even if you can’t fully get rid of them.
This passage shows naturalism and foreshadowing. The rain is a form of naturalism. Mother nature doesn't care if she wants the rain to stop because it works in it's on time. You are not born with fears, you create fears in your mind as life goes on from experiences you've had. Catherine fears the rain because she has a dream that the man she is religiously in love with dies in it. Rain in her case represents death. The rain later foreshadows the death of Catherine and her baby. It rains throughout her labor and the last scene of the book is Frederic walking out of the hospital with no wife or baby.
AP Students: Please respond to each of the "Farewell to Arms" passages IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. E.g., start with chapter 1, proceed to chapter 10, etc. You will simply need to click on "comment"; then type in your name in the box marked "name/URL" on the bottom right-hand side of the page. Post your comment in the box provided and click on "publish your comment." That's all there is to it. Look for elements that you're familiar with, such as irony, paradox, use of diction, and ways that Hemingway achieves cadence (rhythm) through his unique sentence structure. You may also be interested in exploring tone and theme. The accompanying pictures may provide you with fodder for thought, as well, and you may wish to discuss their relevance (or lack thereof) to the quote. Remember, too, that you can comment on any of your classmates' posts in addition to the original quote; in fact, you are encouraged to do so. Simply make clear whose comment you're referring to in your own posting. REMEMBER THAT ALL CLASS MEMEBERS SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO THESE PASSAGES BY THE TIME WE COME BACK TO SCHOOL. THIS WILL CONSTITUTE A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR SUMMER READING GRADE.
Enjoy!
Mrs. G
15 comments:
Catherine breaks out in a bit of a rant here with her fear of dying in the rain. This passage seems to impend future doom for Catherine. As much as Henry tries to comfort her there is nothing he can do, she truly believes she will die in the rain. I found it chilling that Catherine predicted how she would die. Another thing that I found interesting was that the rain seems to be suggesting despair, finality, and death here. Hemingway ends this passage beautifully by making the reader want more.
The feeling of this passage is very depressing and disturbing. Henry has to go back to the front soon and will have to leave Catherine. When Catherine said she saw herself dead in the rain I knew something was wrong. This shows she is troubled deep down inside. In this passage—as found in many other passages in this book by Hemingway—the rain is likened to pain, suffering, and death. This passage reveals she is scared of the rain (which would be death from the previous lines of their conversation) he comforts her but it keeps on pouring. Henry cannot stop the rain and he cannot slow the inevitability of his “wife,” Catherine’s, approaching death.
I agree with William on this passage, it seems like the state of Fredric and Catherine's relationship is depressed and sad. Catherine repeats herself for emphasis and so the more she says something the better she begins to believe herself. Even though her tears can stop the rain fall is inevitable and sometimes war is also inevitable. Although Fredric can comfort Catherine and for her to stop crying he has no power over the rain or the war. In this passage, Hemingway develops a very creative comparison between rain and war and their inevitability.
Catherine completely breaks down when it starts to rain. While Fredrick is taken aback by why catherine's fears the rain he tries his best to comfort her and does. She stops crying but the rain keeps falling. Like Austin Cain states, this shows that fredrick has no power over the rain which symbolizes the war also. No matter how hard he tries he cant stop fate.
I agree with Austin Menard on this passage. Frederic has no control over what happens in the future. He realizes he can’t fix everything; he can console Catherine about the rain, but he can’t stop it. The same goes for the war. He can’t end it himself but he can do his part to help out, even if that means he has to leave the country. Catherine also says that she sees herself dead in the rain. I feel that she is foreshadowing her own death because many bad things during the novel happened in the rain. Soon after she dies Frederic comes out of the hospital in the rain.
Catherine is repeating that it is nonsense and she in sot afraid of the rain to try and make herself believe it. She really is afraid of the rain, and dying. I think this fear was born from her fiance's death. She is afraid of death because she knows how much it hurts to loose a loved one. The though of it happening again frightens her. The fact that Henry tried to comfort her, but it kept on raining is an example of naturalism. Nature doesn't care that she is afraid of rain. It is still going to rain. Human will is not bigger or stronger than nature. We cannot control it. I agree with Gillie's statement about the foreshadowing of Catherine's death. She has always been afraid of dying in the rain, and she did die in the rain.
This passage is very chilling, for it is as if Catherine could see part of her future. Her aura completely changes here, and when I read this, I knew something was dismally wrong. Here, it looks as if the couple has hit a depressing bump in the relationship. Frederic can't do anything to stop the rain, so he comforts her. His helplessness in this situation correlates to his position in the war: he can not end it. Even if he can not end it, he does his best for his side to try, just as he is comforting Catherine now to stop her crying from the rain. I agree with Gillie in the foreshadowing of Catherine's irriguous death. Her fear of rain probably stems from her past relationship, and now she fears she is dying in the rain. I can also relate this to Meredith's position on naturalism in this passage. Nature is stronger than human will and does not care for it. The picture of the woman sitting in the rain relates to Catherine in some ways. The woman looks as if she is accepting the rain and is embracing it. Catherine, on the other hand, tries denying her fear of the rain incessantly.
I believe that the rain symbolizes war in this book - an almost ever-present being that's always in the background. There is no way for Henry to stop the rain or the war, and it makes Catherine break down. Maybe Catherine associates losing a loved one with the rain and the inevitability of death of a loved one is too much for her. Rain will happen whenever- it doesn't matter what's going on. The same can be said about death. It can be sudden and depressing and it can ruin everything you care for. There's no way to stop it.
I think this passage shows Catherine's inner problems and turmoil. The rain is symbolic of doom and despair and the fact that Catherine is afraid of death in the rain. Frederic is the one who is about to leave for the front and have his life in danger while Catherine is crying. She is realizing that her idea of life with Frederic might not happen and that something bad will happen. Frederic is the one who should be afraid but still tries to comfort Catherine. I also agree with meredith's comment on the naturalism in this passage. Even though she is afraid of the rain it is still going to continue to rain outside.
This passage shows that Catherine has fears which is normal, but her fear is nonsense. She even tries to convince herself that it’s nonsense, but it only consoles her temporarily. I agree with Meredith about the naturalism. Even though Catherine is crying and fearing the rain, it’s not going to stop until nature wants to. Also, I agree with William that throughout the novel rain is likened to suffering and death. As Catherine fears, she does indeed die when it was raining. Along with the baby being delivered stillborn, it was raining throughout her entire labor which only amplifies the idea that rain brings suffering.
Catherine is really fragile at this point in the story. I think that the war and the fact that Frederic will eventually have to go back to it are both weighing heavily on both of them. Like others before me have said, this passage conveys naturalism, or the idea that nature is indifferent to the will of man. The general feeling in this passage is helplessness. Catherine doesn’t want to be afraid of the rain, but no matter how hard she tries to convince herself that she’s not, she can’t help but be afraid. Frederic tries to make Catherine feel better, but even though he managed to get her to stop crying, he couldn’t stop the rain from falling. This helplessness relates back to the war. Frederic and Catherine can’t just tell all the soldiers to stop fighting, pack up and go home so that they can be together and happy. The war is the one constant obstacle in Frederic and Catherine’s relationship, and they are powerless to it.
Catherine is obviously disturbed by the rain and the dark thoughts it causes her to have. As Meredith and Anna pointed out, this passage also portrays the theme of naturalism. Catherine is worried that the rain tells of grim fortune and thus fears it when, in reality, she shouldn’t be affected by the randomness of nature. It’s inherent randomness is naturalism, and despite any human thought or will, it will act uninfluenced. The passage does set up the next major role of rain to the story as well. Catherine attributes the rain to death despite naturalism. Later, Catherine’s death is coupled with rainy weather. This occurrence seemingly defies naturalism, as nature is acting in accordance with Catherine’s predictions and fears of rain being a death omen. This is the pathetic fallacy and final major literary theme of the book. This passage is the precursor to it and the foreshadower of rain’s sinister future implications.
Pride Snow
The rain is Catherine’s biggest fear. She tells Henry later that she sees him dying in the rain and that’s why she hates it most, she sees her most beloved possession get taken away from her. In the beginning of the passage she tries to convince herself that she isn’t afraid of the rain, but in reality she is. This passage as a whole relates to the general idea of life. Sure, you can conquer some of your fears, but there will always be something you feel like you can’t get over no matter what you do. In order to be successful at anything in life, whether it be business, sports, your love life, you have to be able to deal with those problems, even if you can’t fully get rid of them.
This passage shows naturalism and foreshadowing. The rain is a form of naturalism. Mother nature doesn't care if she wants the rain to stop because it works in it's on time. You are not born with fears, you create fears in your mind as life goes on from experiences you've had. Catherine fears the rain because she has a dream that the man she is religiously in love with dies in it. Rain in her case represents death. The rain later foreshadows the death of Catherine and her baby. It rains throughout her labor and the last scene of the book is Frederic walking out of the hospital with no wife or baby.
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