RESPOND TO THE FOLLOWING QUOTES (AND QUESTIONS) FROM YOUR SUMMER READING ASSIGNMENTS
Tuesday, May 20, 2008
Ch. 18: "...We're really married. I couldn't be any more married...There's no way to be married except by church or state...You see, darling, it would mean everything to me if I had any religion. But I haven't any religion...You're my religion."
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In this passage it is clear that Catherine is very quick to devote her entire life to Fredric even after her previous fiancé had perished in war. When Catherine compares Henry to her "religion" she is stating that she is giving her entire life to him and believes in him. People who have total belief in their religion will do crazy acts of faith for their religion and for Fredric to be Catherine's "religion" means she will do anything for him. In the end she dies because of her total devotion to Henry. This passage is a great illustration of Catherine's very quick but strong and everlasting love for Fredric.
Catherine when she first met Fredrick was still getting over the death of her previous fiance. Now she has completely moved on from that previous relationship and is totally devoted to Fredrick. It seemed to me that she moved on quite fast. Catherine in my opinion just wants a husband and now that she has Fredrick, she will do anything for him.
This passage shows us that while some people are devoted to their religion, Catherine doesn’t have a religion; she is just devoted to Frederic. She would do anything for him. She loves him more than anything and doesn’t want to lose him like she lost her last fiancé. However, it is surprising that she would devote her life to someone who is in the same situation as her last fiancé. He was going to have to go back to the front lines eventually and there is a very good chance that he might not come back. I was shocked that it was so easy for her to devote her life to someone else so quickly I thought it would have taken a little bit longer. I also thought she would have been a little reluctant because he was very similar to her previous fiancé.
In this quote, we see Catherine's opinion of marriage. The most common view of "married" means to have a ceremony and be legally married in a church. It is a status. On the other hand, since Catherine does not have a religion, she defines marriage as a state of love rather than a status. She says that they are married because she thinks they act as a married couple. They love each other enough to be married. The fact that she says Henry is her religion shows us how deeply she loves him. This shows that he is everything to her. She can depend fully on him and believe in him. I think she wants to believe they are married because she wanted to marry her previous love, but he died too soon. This leads her to want to be "married" before it is too late again.
An official marriage is a status given by the church and the state. Since she has no religion, Catherine bases her marriage to Frederic on love. We also see in this passage that Catherine movies very quickly in terms of love. By saying that Frederic is her religion, she means that instead of devoting herself to a religion as most women do, she devotes herself to her lover. Being married by church means nothing to her, for she follows no religion. She is married on her own terms based on her love for Frederic. The picture of the woman in a wedding gown is ironic to this passage. Catherine does not wish to be married traditionally, so the picture is insignificant to her beliefs.
Since Catherine wasn't a religious person, Henry became her religion when they fell in love. Marriage is a religious ceremony that people take part in so they are officially married under God, but since God means nothing to Catherine, she didn't need to prove anything to anyone. She didn't need a ceremony to be hopelessly devoted to Henry because in her mind, she was completely his. I agree with Meredith - to her, love is a state of love.
This passage shows how devoted Catherine is to Frederic. She is willingly ready to spend her life with him. She has no need for an official ceremony under god or with a religion to be actually married. As long as she is with him that's all she needs. Even though there is a war going on and he might die in it she is still willing to jump into a life with him after she's only known for a little while. I always felt that there love for each other felt fake or rushed and this proves that point. She sounds like a woman that is just looking for a man and the idea that she'll spend the rest of her life with him is almost too perfect after only knowing him for a little bit.
Since Catherine has no religion to devote herself to she claims Frederic is her religion. As Gillie said, Catherine was very quick to fall in love with Frederic after her fiancé’s death. She had been longing for love so much that she couldn’t help but to devote herself to someone quickly. I agree with Meredith that Catherine considers marriage as her state of love rather than a status. Later in the novel Catherine repetitively asks Frederic if she is making a good wife. This adds to her belief that marriage is her state of love.
Catherine, as many comments have previously indicated, is attached to Henry in a way that can only be labeled love. They are, to all intents and purposes, married to the idea of being with each other forever. Catherine will be completely devoted to Henry as she would be a religion, and will believe and trust in him. The fact that she stakes her strongest beliefs in him instead of to any deity reflects her absolute certainty in Henry. He, above any uncertainty in her mind, can anchor her to the world that war is so desperately trying to pull her from. Some people need religion to fill gaps left by uncertainties, fears, or tragedies in their lives, but Catherine only needs Henry. She is conveying a much deeper meaning to Henry and proving that she feels very strongly for him.
Catherine is completely attached to Frederic. It seems like all she cares about in the world is being with him and no one else every possible second of every possible day she can. I think it’s extremely significant that she claims that Frederic is her religion. She puts her complete trust in him and loves him unconditionally, as she would a god, if she were religious. Religion often offers people a sense of security, especially through rough patches in their lives, and Frederic does that for Catherine. As long as he’s there with her, the war doesn’t matter. I think that Catherine clings on to people like her fiancé and Frederic because she feels the need to balance all of the violence and destruction of war that surrounds her out with love. I also think that if Catherine and Frederic would have met before the war, they wouldn’t have had the same kind of relationship. I feel like their relationship was based more on a mutual need to escape the hardships of war and retreat into their love cocoon than common interests.
Pride Snow This passage shows how attached Catherine is to Henry. It was surprising to see her move from her previous fiancée who had passed, to Henry. To move from one lover to the next so quickly and to take that next relationship so seriously makes me think that her occupation is not just to help wounded soldiers, but to also find a husband. Although this sudden swing of emotion from her fiancée to Henry almost came across like she didn’t have feelings for him, she describes her love for him as “her religion” which is not to be taken lightly. People do crazy things for their religion, and by calling Henry her “religion” she is devoting her entire life to him, which almost gives their relationship an unhealthy feeling.
In this passage the reader gets a sense of how devoted Catherine is to Frederic. Earlier in the novel Catherine seems hard to obtain and cautious not to fall down the same path she did with her fiance, but in this passage it's clear that Catherine has fallen for Frederic and there is no looking back. It's also important to note that she describes Frederic as her "religion" even though she doesn't have one. This passage also is a bit ironic because she devoted herself previously to a man and he died, now she is devoting herself to another man and just when things are going right she ends up dying herself.
when you get married its a commitment to say you love someone enough to stay with them forever for better and for worst. Catherine is showing us in this passage that she considers her and Fredric's relationship that way. Marriage and religion is different though. Religion is giving everything you have to someone and believing in them 100 percent. Religion is completely devoting your life to someone. That is how much Catherine is in love with Fredric. People usually believe in a God or a superhuman as their religion but for Catherine, its Fredric.
AP Students: Please respond to each of the "Farewell to Arms" passages IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. E.g., start with chapter 1, proceed to chapter 10, etc. You will simply need to click on "comment"; then type in your name in the box marked "name/URL" on the bottom right-hand side of the page. Post your comment in the box provided and click on "publish your comment." That's all there is to it. Look for elements that you're familiar with, such as irony, paradox, use of diction, and ways that Hemingway achieves cadence (rhythm) through his unique sentence structure. You may also be interested in exploring tone and theme. The accompanying pictures may provide you with fodder for thought, as well, and you may wish to discuss their relevance (or lack thereof) to the quote. Remember, too, that you can comment on any of your classmates' posts in addition to the original quote; in fact, you are encouraged to do so. Simply make clear whose comment you're referring to in your own posting. REMEMBER THAT ALL CLASS MEMEBERS SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO THESE PASSAGES BY THE TIME WE COME BACK TO SCHOOL. THIS WILL CONSTITUTE A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR SUMMER READING GRADE.
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Mrs. G
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In this passage it is clear that Catherine is very quick to devote her entire life to Fredric even after her previous fiancé had perished in war. When Catherine compares Henry to her "religion" she is stating that she is giving her entire life to him and believes in him. People who have total belief in their religion will do crazy acts of faith for their religion and for Fredric to be Catherine's "religion" means she will do anything for him. In the end she dies because of her total devotion to Henry. This passage is a great illustration of Catherine's very quick but strong and everlasting love for Fredric.
Catherine when she first met Fredrick was still getting over the death of her previous fiance. Now she has completely moved on from that previous relationship and is totally devoted to Fredrick. It seemed to me that she moved on quite fast. Catherine in my opinion just wants a husband and now that she has Fredrick, she will do anything for him.
This passage shows us that while some people are devoted to their religion, Catherine doesn’t have a religion; she is just devoted to Frederic. She would do anything for him. She loves him more than anything and doesn’t want to lose him like she lost her last fiancé. However, it is surprising that she would devote her life to someone who is in the same situation as her last fiancé. He was going to have to go back to the front lines eventually and there is a very good chance that he might not come back. I was shocked that it was so easy for her to devote her life to someone else so quickly I thought it would have taken a little bit longer. I also thought she would have been a little reluctant because he was very similar to her previous fiancé.
In this quote, we see Catherine's opinion of marriage. The most common view of "married" means to have a ceremony and be legally married in a church. It is a status. On the other hand, since Catherine does not have a religion, she defines marriage as a state of love rather than a status. She says that they are married because she thinks they act as a married couple. They love each other enough to be married. The fact that she says Henry is her religion shows us how deeply she loves him. This shows that he is everything to her. She can depend fully on him and believe in him. I think she wants to believe they are married because she wanted to marry her previous love, but he died too soon. This leads her to want to be "married" before it is too late again.
An official marriage is a status given by the church and the state. Since she has no religion, Catherine bases her marriage to Frederic on love. We also see in this passage that Catherine movies very quickly in terms of love. By saying that Frederic is her religion, she means that instead of devoting herself to a religion as most women do, she devotes herself to her lover. Being married by church means nothing to her, for she follows no religion. She is married on her own terms based on her love for Frederic. The picture of the woman in a wedding gown is ironic to this passage. Catherine does not wish to be married traditionally, so the picture is insignificant to her beliefs.
Since Catherine wasn't a religious person, Henry became her religion when they fell in love. Marriage is a religious ceremony that people take part in so they are officially married under God, but since God means nothing to Catherine, she didn't need to prove anything to anyone. She didn't need a ceremony to be hopelessly devoted to Henry because in her mind, she was completely his. I agree with Meredith - to her, love is a state of love.
This passage shows how devoted Catherine is to Frederic. She is willingly ready to spend her life with him. She has no need for an official ceremony under god or with a religion to be actually married. As long as she is with him that's all she needs. Even though there is a war going on and he might die in it she is still willing to jump into a life with him after she's only known for a little while. I always felt that there love for each other felt fake or rushed and this proves that point. She sounds like a woman that is just looking for a man and the idea that she'll spend the rest of her life with him is almost too perfect after only knowing him for a little bit.
Since Catherine has no religion to devote herself to she claims Frederic is her religion. As Gillie said, Catherine was very quick to fall in love with Frederic after her fiancé’s death. She had been longing for love so much that she couldn’t help but to devote herself to someone quickly. I agree with Meredith that Catherine considers marriage as her state of love rather than a status. Later in the novel Catherine repetitively asks Frederic if she is making a good wife. This adds to her belief that marriage is her state of love.
Catherine, as many comments have previously indicated, is attached to Henry in a way that can only be labeled love. They are, to all intents and purposes, married to the idea of being with each other forever. Catherine will be completely devoted to Henry as she would be a religion, and will believe and trust in him. The fact that she stakes her strongest beliefs in him instead of to any deity reflects her absolute certainty in Henry. He, above any uncertainty in her mind, can anchor her to the world that war is so desperately trying to pull her from. Some people need religion to fill gaps left by uncertainties, fears, or tragedies in their lives, but Catherine only needs Henry. She is conveying a much deeper meaning to Henry and proving that she feels very strongly for him.
Catherine is completely attached to Frederic. It seems like all she cares about in the world is being with him and no one else every possible second of every possible day she can. I think it’s extremely significant that she claims that Frederic is her religion. She puts her complete trust in him and loves him unconditionally, as she would a god, if she were religious. Religion often offers people a sense of security, especially through rough patches in their lives, and Frederic does that for Catherine. As long as he’s there with her, the war doesn’t matter. I think that Catherine clings on to people like her fiancé and Frederic because she feels the need to balance all of the violence and destruction of war that surrounds her out with love. I also think that if Catherine and Frederic would have met before the war, they wouldn’t have had the same kind of relationship. I feel like their relationship was based more on a mutual need to escape the hardships of war and retreat into their love cocoon than common interests.
Pride Snow
This passage shows how attached Catherine is to Henry. It was surprising to see her move from her previous fiancée who had passed, to Henry. To move from one lover to the next so quickly and to take that next relationship so seriously makes me think that her occupation is not just to help wounded soldiers, but to also find a husband. Although this sudden swing of emotion from her fiancée to Henry almost came across like she didn’t have feelings for him, she describes her love for him as “her religion” which is not to be taken lightly. People do crazy things for their religion, and by calling Henry her “religion” she is devoting her entire life to him, which almost gives their relationship an unhealthy feeling.
In this passage the reader gets a sense of how devoted Catherine is to Frederic. Earlier in the novel Catherine seems hard to obtain and cautious not to fall down the same path she did with her fiance, but in this passage it's clear that Catherine has fallen for Frederic and there is no looking back. It's also important to note that she describes Frederic as her "religion" even though she doesn't have one. This passage also is a bit ironic because she devoted herself previously to a man and he died, now she is devoting herself to another man and just when things are going right she ends up dying herself.
when you get married its a commitment to say you love someone enough to stay with them forever for better and for worst. Catherine is showing us in this passage that she considers her and Fredric's relationship that way. Marriage and religion is different though. Religion is giving everything you have to someone and believing in them 100 percent. Religion is completely devoting your life to someone. That is how much Catherine is in love with Fredric. People usually believe in a God or a superhuman as their religion but for Catherine, its Fredric.
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