Catherine doesn't seem to care about the baby. The only thing she cares about is the mood of Frederic and whether or not he is worried. She even mentions earlier in the book when the two are rowing up to Switzerland that if the oar on the boat were to hit her stomach "things would be a lot simpler." It would be simple in the fact that she wouldn't have to worry about Frederic as much, but c'mon Catherine this is a baby we're talking about. She's needs to stop worrying about Frederic and more on the health of their child.
Catherine does not seem to have her baby on the top of her list. She cares very much about Henry and her appearance. She does not want to get married at the moment because she is so big. She believes she is too “matronly looking” to have pictures made at a wedding so she decides to wait. I immediately sensed a problem during childbirth when Catherine mentions how small her hips are. To fix this, the doctor tells Catherine to have an occasional beer to keep the baby small. Catherine drinks at an excessive rate and seems to not care for their unplanned baby. Catherine is not taking responsibility as a parent and keeps worrying about her figure. Due to her immaturity and thoughtlessness, this pregnancy will not turn out well.
Hemingway is foreshadowing the death of Catherine and her baby in this passage. It is ironic how Catherine says "very good" and "little trouble" when describing her pregnancy. In reality her pregnancy is far from good but she is blind from the true facts and is believing that her baby is healthy. As William says mother Catherine is very irresponsible when caring for herself and her child. The excessive amount of alcohol intake is unhealthy for both young Catherine and her mother.
In this passage Hemingway is once again foreshadowing Catherine’s death and the death of her child. It is also showing us that she cares more about Frederic then she does about her baby. All she wants to do is please Frederic and make him happy. The fact that she doesn’t care that much about the baby is clearly foreshadowing that something is going to happen to the baby. Catherine is worrying too much about the wrong things she needs to be worrying about the health of her child and she needs to start caring more about it.
I agree with Robey. it seems that she cares so much about Fredrick and not enough on the baby. When cathrine told Fredrick she was pregnant, she thought he was going to leave or that is how it came off to me. No matter how much simpler it would be not to have a baby yall did it yu have to have it. When catherine talks about the death of her baby it becomes a reality and takes Catherine with it.
I disagree with my classmates a bit on this passage. Yes, I think Catherine cares about her husband and her appearance more than the baby at times, but I think this quote does not exemplify that. I think Catherine drinks while pregnant because the doctor told her to, not out of selfishness or carelessness for her baby. She knows her hips are small and childbirth could be a problem so she drinks to keep the baby small so that childbirth may be successful. When I read this passage I knew something was going to go wrong in the pregnancy. Hemingway does a great job using his quote to oreshadow Catherine and the baby's deaths.
This passage shows how Catherine is handling her pregnancy and her feelings towards Frederic about it. I agree with Meredith on the fact that she completely loves and cares for her baby and is only drinking because the doctor told her to do so. She is keeping the health of her and the baby in mind. Although, when she states that "she makes little trouble," that was a turning point for me in my mind. I had an eerie feeling that this foreshadowing statement would mean that something would go wrong with the pregnancy. Up until this point, Catherine has complained little of her baby, and this is quite odd for her seeing as she is pregnant and pregnancy takes a major physical toll on a woman. I wholeheartedly believe that Catherine completely cares for both her baby and Frederic, but I know from having completed the novel that Frederic only cares for Catherine. The picture provided of the pregnant woman holding her stomach relates to Catherine because I believe Catherine truly loves and cares for her baby.
The first thing I noticed in this passage was the fact that Catherine was drinking alcohol during her pregnancy. She meant well because her doctor told her to drink it. The doctors didn't know that alcohol was bad for a baby. It is ironic that by doing what the doctor said would make the baby healthy, Catherine is really contributing to the child's death. When Catherine says that the baby is doing good, there is a hint of foreshadowing. Earlier in the book, Hemingway brings up good and happy situations, but just when things seem like they are going right, disaster strikes. This makes me think that something bad is going to happen, which it does. Another thing I think is ironic is the fact that Henry and Catherine assume that the baby is a girl. They convince themselves that they are having a girl and then they end up having a boy.
This passage hints at the fact that her pregnancy will end up bad. The doctor is telling her to drink beer to keep the baby small for her. If Catherine has to try to keep the baby small to keep her safe then it might not turn out too good. It also sounds like she is more worried about Frederic and his feelings about the baby and then the safety and birth of the baby. I do realize that they might not realize alcohol is bad for the baby during this time. Catherine needs to be worrying about getting the baby out and not about Frederic's feeling of her and their future with the baby.
I agree with Meredith. I think Catherine does care for her child. Doctors did not know alcohol was bad for pregnancy until around the 1960s. Catherine was solely following the doctor’s insight. Also, she wanted to learn skiing and sledding but she didn’t because of the risk while being pregnant. That shows some care for her child. I can’t help but hint at what Robey mentioned about rowing into Switzerland. Catherine did indeed say “things would be a lot simpler” referring to bumping her stomach with an oar. I think she was saying that jocosely, though. Though I do agree that Catherine shows more love for Frederic than her child, there is care present in her mind for her baby.
Catherine doesn’t seem to care about her baby nearly as much as she cares about Frederic. She constantly is ashamed of her baby bump and worries about whether or not Frederic will find her attractive anymore. I think that when Catherine says that the baby has been very good and little trouble, it foreshadows the baby’s death. I’d expect that most babies “make” trouble near the end of the pregnancy, moving around and being heavy. Catherine, being a nurse, should know this, and maybe get a clue that something might be wrong. I think that she might have known that something was wrong, but didn’t really care enough to do anything about it because it would distract her from Frederic. Also, I think that she took the doctor’s suggestion to drink beer a little bit overboard.
Catherine is attempting to reassure Henry at the expense of her baby's health. She is constantly more worried about what Henry will think than she is about taking care of the baby. Drinking while pregnant is never a good thing, yet she mentions doing so to assure Henry that there is a better chance of the delivery going smoothly. She exemplifies this need to please Henry in other actions, such as her worrying about the bulge in her belly. She is insecure about how Henry's feelings towards her during her pregnancy and therefore constantly attempts to force him into complimenting her. This passage also foreshadows trouble with Catherine's pregnancy, as she is trying to keep the baby small because of her smaller birth canal. The fact that the Hemingway let the reader onto this information is a foreboding sign, for the story is set in a time where birthing a child could easily become a fatal experience.
Pride Snow This passage is slightly disturbing because it seems as if Catherine doesn’t care how the baby is or how her delivery will be, she just wants Henry to be happy with her. This is a huge reason as to why Henry being “her religion” is not a healthy thing at all. Catherine should value the life of their child just as much or more than Henry’s feelings towards her now. This lack of loving given to the baby is an obvious foreshadow to Catherine’s death.
I agree with Meredith. This passage does not show that Catherine does not care for her baby or that she prioritizes her and Frederic's relationship over her child. She had no way of knowing that drinking beer was bad for the baby.Her doctor instructed her to do so where they would both be okay. The passage does show foreshadowing because everyone knows now that drinking will kill the baby or make it unhealthy. This shows us that this can not end good and there will be difficulties to come.
AP Students: Please respond to each of the "Farewell to Arms" passages IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. E.g., start with chapter 1, proceed to chapter 10, etc. You will simply need to click on "comment"; then type in your name in the box marked "name/URL" on the bottom right-hand side of the page. Post your comment in the box provided and click on "publish your comment." That's all there is to it. Look for elements that you're familiar with, such as irony, paradox, use of diction, and ways that Hemingway achieves cadence (rhythm) through his unique sentence structure. You may also be interested in exploring tone and theme. The accompanying pictures may provide you with fodder for thought, as well, and you may wish to discuss their relevance (or lack thereof) to the quote. Remember, too, that you can comment on any of your classmates' posts in addition to the original quote; in fact, you are encouraged to do so. Simply make clear whose comment you're referring to in your own posting. REMEMBER THAT ALL CLASS MEMEBERS SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO THESE PASSAGES BY THE TIME WE COME BACK TO SCHOOL. THIS WILL CONSTITUTE A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR SUMMER READING GRADE.
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Catherine doesn't seem to care about the baby. The only thing she cares about is the mood of Frederic and whether or not he is worried. She even mentions earlier in the book when the two are rowing up to Switzerland that if the oar on the boat were to hit her stomach "things would be a lot simpler." It would be simple in the fact that she wouldn't have to worry about Frederic as much, but c'mon Catherine this is a baby we're talking about. She's needs to stop worrying about Frederic and more on the health of their child.
Catherine does not seem to have her baby on the top of her list. She cares very much about Henry and her appearance. She does not want to get married at the moment because she is so big. She believes she is too “matronly looking” to have pictures made at a wedding so she decides to wait. I immediately sensed a problem during childbirth when Catherine mentions how small her hips are. To fix this, the doctor tells Catherine to have an occasional beer to keep the baby small. Catherine drinks at an excessive rate and seems to not care for their unplanned baby. Catherine is not taking responsibility as a parent and keeps worrying about her figure. Due to her immaturity and thoughtlessness, this pregnancy will not turn out well.
Hemingway is foreshadowing the death of Catherine and her baby in this passage. It is ironic how Catherine says "very good" and "little trouble" when describing her pregnancy. In reality her pregnancy is far from good but she is blind from the true facts and is believing that her baby is healthy. As William says mother Catherine is very irresponsible when caring for herself and her child. The excessive amount of alcohol intake is unhealthy for both young Catherine and her mother.
In this passage Hemingway is once again foreshadowing Catherine’s death and the death of her child. It is also showing us that she cares more about Frederic then she does about her baby. All she wants to do is please Frederic and make him happy. The fact that she doesn’t care that much about the baby is clearly foreshadowing that something is going to happen to the baby. Catherine is worrying too much about the wrong things she needs to be worrying about the health of her child and she needs to start caring more about it.
I agree with Robey. it seems that she cares so much about Fredrick and not enough on the baby. When cathrine told Fredrick she was pregnant, she thought he was going to leave or that is how it came off to me. No matter how much simpler it would be not to have a baby yall did it yu have to have it. When catherine talks about the death of her baby it becomes a reality and takes Catherine with it.
I disagree with my classmates a bit on this passage. Yes, I think Catherine cares about her husband and her appearance more than the baby at times, but I think this quote does not exemplify that. I think Catherine drinks while pregnant because the doctor told her to, not out of selfishness or carelessness for her baby. She knows her hips are small and childbirth could be a problem so she drinks to keep the baby small so that childbirth may be successful. When I read this passage I knew something was going to go wrong in the pregnancy. Hemingway does a great job using his quote to oreshadow Catherine and the baby's deaths.
This passage shows how Catherine is handling her pregnancy and her feelings towards Frederic about it. I agree with Meredith on the fact that she completely loves and cares for her baby and is only drinking because the doctor told her to do so. She is keeping the health of her and the baby in mind. Although, when she states that "she makes little trouble," that was a turning point for me in my mind. I had an eerie feeling that this foreshadowing statement would mean that something would go wrong with the pregnancy. Up until this point, Catherine has complained little of her baby, and this is quite odd for her seeing as she is pregnant and pregnancy takes a major physical toll on a woman. I wholeheartedly believe that Catherine completely cares for both her baby and Frederic, but I know from having completed the novel that Frederic only cares for Catherine. The picture provided of the pregnant woman holding her stomach relates to Catherine because I believe Catherine truly loves and cares for her baby.
The first thing I noticed in this passage was the fact that Catherine was drinking alcohol during her pregnancy. She meant well because her doctor told her to drink it. The doctors didn't know that alcohol was bad for a baby. It is ironic that by doing what the doctor said would make the baby healthy, Catherine is really contributing to the child's death. When Catherine says that the baby is doing good, there is a hint of foreshadowing. Earlier in the book, Hemingway brings up good and happy situations, but just when things seem like they are going right, disaster strikes. This makes me think that something bad is going to happen, which it does. Another thing I think is ironic is the fact that Henry and Catherine assume that the baby is a girl. They convince themselves that they are having a girl and then they end up having a boy.
This passage hints at the fact that her pregnancy will end up bad. The doctor is telling her to drink beer to keep the baby small for her. If Catherine has to try to keep the baby small to keep her safe then it might not turn out too good. It also sounds like she is more worried about Frederic and his feelings about the baby and then the safety and birth of the baby. I do realize that they might not realize alcohol is bad for the baby during this time. Catherine needs to be worrying about getting the baby out and not about Frederic's feeling of her and their future with the baby.
I agree with Meredith. I think Catherine does care for her child. Doctors did not know alcohol was bad for pregnancy until around the 1960s. Catherine was solely following the doctor’s insight. Also, she wanted to learn skiing and sledding but she didn’t because of the risk while being pregnant. That shows some care for her child. I can’t help but hint at what Robey mentioned about rowing into Switzerland. Catherine did indeed say “things would be a lot simpler” referring to bumping her stomach with an oar. I think she was saying that jocosely, though. Though I do agree that Catherine shows more love for Frederic than her child, there is care present in her mind for her baby.
Catherine doesn’t seem to care about her baby nearly as much as she cares about Frederic. She constantly is ashamed of her baby bump and worries about whether or not Frederic will find her attractive anymore. I think that when Catherine says that the baby has been very good and little trouble, it foreshadows the baby’s death. I’d expect that most babies “make” trouble near the end of the pregnancy, moving around and being heavy. Catherine, being a nurse, should know this, and maybe get a clue that something might be wrong. I think that she might have known that something was wrong, but didn’t really care enough to do anything about it because it would distract her from Frederic. Also, I think that she took the doctor’s suggestion to drink beer a little bit overboard.
Catherine is attempting to reassure Henry at the expense of her baby's health. She is constantly more worried about what Henry will think than she is about taking care of the baby. Drinking while pregnant is never a good thing, yet she mentions doing so to assure Henry that there is a better chance of the delivery going smoothly. She exemplifies this need to please Henry in other actions, such as her worrying about the bulge in her belly. She is insecure about how Henry's feelings towards her during her pregnancy and therefore constantly attempts to force him into complimenting her. This passage also foreshadows trouble with Catherine's pregnancy, as she is trying to keep the baby small because of her smaller birth canal. The fact that the Hemingway let the reader onto this information is a foreboding sign, for the story is set in a time where birthing a child could easily become a fatal experience.
Pride Snow
This passage is slightly disturbing because it seems as if Catherine doesn’t care how the baby is or how her delivery will be, she just wants Henry to be happy with her. This is a huge reason as to why Henry being “her religion” is not a healthy thing at all. Catherine should value the life of their child just as much or more than Henry’s feelings towards her now. This lack of loving given to the baby is an obvious foreshadow to Catherine’s death.
I agree with Meredith. This passage does not show that Catherine does not care for her baby or that she prioritizes her and Frederic's relationship over her child. She had no way of knowing that drinking beer was bad for the baby.Her doctor instructed her to do so where they would both be okay. The passage does show foreshadowing because everyone knows now that drinking will kill the baby or make it unhealthy. This shows us that this can not end good and there will be difficulties to come.
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